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French Police action/inaction

Posted by one4all-436374 - Created: 3 years ago
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Posted by sophie hunton - 3 years ago

I seem to remember the revolution kicked off over food and started as a peaceful demonstration.

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Posted by Reveuse-918439 - 3 years ago

To try and give a sensible answer to what seem fairly daft questions - I suspect that technically, if your poor people or your homeless people organised themselves, and got up a manifesto, and brought up their grievance with the people they feel they have a grievance against and tried but failed to reach a solution, and then they went to the police and said "we would like to hold a manifestation at such and such a time on such and such a date on the grounds that blahdiblah", and the police (unlikely if they didn't have a good cause) gave them permission - then yes, they would not be treated like common criminals if they kicked up some dust. But if they just went and stole then they would be nothing more than common criminals. The farmers didn't steal anything did they, they didn't get any personal gain from the demo. They were making a point.

Surely you can see the difference between organised political action in the context of a recognised long-running dispute, and individuals acting in their own self-interest without having explored and exhausted other channels first.

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Posted by one4all-436374 - 3 years ago

Thanks for posting all your views, some of which have strayed way off topic.....my main point was whilst the right to protest is fine, criminal behaviour, damage to property is not. To say that this behaviour is OK if it is politically motivated is IMOH ludricrous - do the poor have the right to steal from the rich because they have been unfairly treated in life ? Do the homeless have the right to burn down someones house because they consider the system unfair ?

The refererence to Calais was via the police observing whilst taking no action to the "migrants" cutting fences, breaking open lorries/trailers and threatening/menacing drivers, how they got there or whether they have the right to be there is another issue.

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Posted by heureux - 3 years ago

Hungarian milk may well be cheaper, due to the lessor social charges paid by the farmers.  The price the supermarkets pay  is due to governed my market practises.  France is a socialist country with much 'assistance' given to all and sundry, and an overweight and well remunerated administration. The leaders and political elite have no interest whatever of changing the system as it would put their position and wealth in question.  As a result they permit the 'criminal damage' as being a small cost to apparently letting the French express themselves, but without it getting to dangerous for them.

 

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Posted by Dibbyspot - 3 years ago

This action is in the French psyche and will remain so until the French government steps in to make the changes Thatcher did in the UK. That will not happen under Hollande, but  something needs to change as France cannot continue to live beyond its means financially.

The farmers plight is very serious. they have been hit with the EU sanctiond agaist Putin and, as in UK, the supermarkets tkaing advantage of their position.

It is not acceptable in France or in UK where dairy farmrs are going out of business in droves! Whilst it is annoying for us. Perhaps some action by those affected is more justifiable than others! Maybe if UK farmers were more organised they would get action. Governments are not renown for their customer focus until pushed!

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Posted by piechipsandpeas - 3 years ago

Anonymous called her The DevilWoman - I was asking if you preferred life before she tamed their powers !

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Posted by sophie hunton - 3 years ago

Who said it was better before Thatcher ? I pointed out that the English can be and have been just as bolshy,no body seems to have an answer to the farming problem which is not just limited to France its Europe wide,a Hungarian farmer is not going to refuse to sell to a French supermarket because they will sell his produce cheaper than a French farmers and I seem to remember cheap imported French apples destroying the English apple farming business,I thought the subsidies and common agricultural policy were supposed to balance things out.

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Posted by Son Of Fred - 3 years ago

Maggie was the only one to stand up to the unions,who at the time were trying to run/ruin the country.

No one else had the goolies to do it.

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Posted by piechipsandpeas - 3 years ago

So there are still people about who thought it was better in the UK when the unions could hold the country to ransom ? ( strikes at the drop of a hat etc ) - yes Thatcher went too far but I remember working in factories where the unions would call a strike when someone was threatened with the sack for stealing ( threatened not sacked ! )

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Posted by stonedecroze - 3 years ago

Indeed piechipsandpeas...........just because I'm all for a bit of independent thought and action does not mean that I support rampant criminality.

Reveuse, Rance, Anonymous................thankfully some people can appreciate the distinction.

Vive la France!