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Making a will

Posted by Bentley-386430 - Created: 3 years ago
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Posted by muffinam-389555 - 3 years ago

We had a Notaire do a Communaute universelle a few years ago. We went to see the Notaire re the English wills and he said as we had only been married to each other and just had children with each other then the  comm uni was as good as changing. He also felt there could be teething problems as in English law you have an executor.

He is in Lamballe and speaks English very well.

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Posted by Gonetoground - 3 years ago

We would be interested in hearing if this new legislation is going to be the breakthough that people believe. We would like to leave all our assets to each other as a married couple, the children only benefitting when we both have died. The problem being that the step children would be hit with a 60% tax bill.

There is also a doubt in our minds that the French legal system could still override the UK will, and put the children of the deceased partner first.

We are seriously considering returning to the UK because of the French inheritance law. We do not want to leave Brittany, as we love our lifestyle here, having lived here for nearly 14 years and been out of the UK for 20 years. We have a usufruit, but that is still unsatisfactory in the long run.

We would be pleased to hear from anyone who has any comments on this.

 

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Posted by Bentley-386430 - 3 years ago

For one house we sold we used a Notaire in St Malo and he was fluent ENglish speaking.

 

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Posted by johnmorgan-420501 - 3 years ago

We are anxious to make our wills under these new laws , the problem being that we cannot find an English speaking notaire. Any suggestions would be very welcome within a fairly easy reach of Guingamp. Thanks in advance .

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Posted by rance-781573 - 3 years ago

You will hit the person who is a non relative with a nice tax bill all the same regardless of a UK will.

Does the regulation have any effect on French inheritance tax matters?
No, that is outside its scope: taxation rules remain as before. While it would, for example, allow an English married person resident in France to leave their whole estate to an unrelated friend, this would still be subject to French inheritance tax at the maximum 60% rate.

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Posted by rance-781573 - 3 years ago

Here you are,pick the bones out of this.

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Text of previous article as originally published in October 30, 2013:

Action should be taken now to benefit from the new 2015 European inheritance rules.

Many people owning (or thinking of buying) property in France will be aware that French law currently governs the taxation and devolution (who gets what when you die) of your French real-estate.

Many will also be aware that under current French law their French real-estate is subject to French forced-heirship provisions, which in practice means the French legal system will decide who receives your property when you die. Put simply, your Will is probably (at least partly) ineffective if it conflicts with the French forced-heirship rules.

The good news is that this is all changing in 2015 in such a way that it could advantage British owners of property in France.

The key piece of legislation has the ‘catchy title’ of EU regulation 650/2012, otherwise known as Brussels IV… We’ll call it the ‘Regulation’.

Under the Regulation, after 17th August 2015, any British national who has property in France, or for that matter any participating EU State (and who has taken appropriate action before their death) can choose either the law of the country of their habitual residence, or the law of their nationality (or choose one of their nationalities if multiple) to govern the devolution of their French estate.

If they make no choice then the default position is that the succession of their estate will be governed by the State of their habitual residence.

This may sound like a ‘silver bullet’ solution to the forced heirship provisions which currently thwart the ‘best laid plans’ of British Will-makers, but what many people are not aware of is that the new rules will only benefit those British nationals who have taken the appropriate action.

The ‘appropriate action’ is to make a nomination in a Will which is valid in France stating which law will apply to their property. This could be done in a French Will or, because in France (properly drafted) English Wills are valid, the nomination can be done in your English Will and – here is the important bit – it can be done now in preparation for the 2015 changes.

In fact, not only can a nomination be made now, it should be made now and I would go so far as to say that if you are having a new Will drafted in the circumstances described above, by a professional person and they have not included a properly drafted nomination, you should ask them why not?

Many may believe that they need do nothing until 2015, but this is not the case. What if, for example, the Will-maker loses the mental capacity to make a new Will between now and 17th August 2015 either as a result of a degenerative condition or an accident? What if the Will-maker adopts a ‘wait and see’ approach and then forgets to make the necessary changes?

In both of these scenarios the estate will not benefit from the new regulations which in turn could mean their French property may not pass to their loved ones, regardless of what it says in their Will.

Interestingly the Regulation does not restrict the choice of law to EU nationals, and so, for example a Hong Kong Chinese national with property in France, could nominate Hong Kong law to apply to the succession of their property, a New Zealander could nominate New Zealand law, a Japanese, Japanese law, and so on.

Some readers may have heard that the UK, Ireland and Denmark have all opted out of the Regulation and so those readers may question whether the Regulation relates to British nationals. Well the opt-out simply means that it is not possible to make an election under ‘British’ law for ‘foreign’ law to apply in Britain to British assets, but it does not mean that Britons cannot make an election under the laws of participating EU States.

Another potentially useful element of the Regulation is that a European Certificate of Succession (ECS) will be issued by the country of the person’s habitual residence which will be recognised in all other participating EU States. This could be useful to say a Briton living in France who also has property in Italy or Germany because the certificate will be recognised in all of these jurisdictions; but it probably won’t help a person with sole British nationality who is habitually resident in the UK, because the UK opt-out means Britain will not be able to issue an ECS.

Owners of French property must also be mindful that any nomination made now will have no effect until 2015, which means they need to consider what will happen if they die in the next two years. Only by taking proper advice from a specialist in international succession and probate law can those people ensure that any unwanted succession consequences are mitigated.

Finally, I should mention that even after 2015 (as things stand now) a UK person will still need to obtain an English grant of representation to collect and distribute UK assets, and tax may also be payable on the French property, but the ability to nominate which law applies means that the possible ‘nightmare’ forced heirship provisions that currently exist in many EU jurisdictions, including France, can (after 17th August 2015) be a thing of the past.

Originally published in October 2013, updated in March 2015.

This article is for general information purposes only and does not constitute legal, or other professional advice. We would advise you to seek professional advice before acting on this information.

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Posted by Bentley-386430 - 3 years ago

In our case it is merely a desire to leave our property and assets to a person of choice who is not necessarily a relative.

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Posted by Bentley-386430 - 3 years ago

In our case it is merely a desire to leave our property and assets to a person of choice who is not necessarily a relative.

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Posted by rance-781573 - 3 years ago

Kanak is right, since 1988 we have lived under dear old Napoleon's inheritance laws and in general are happy with it. When either of us go, the other person will share with the kids by getting half of the house to themself plus a fifth of a share with the rest of the house.  We have a friend who is a Notaire, fairly young and "tres serious" as they say. I'll bring it up and see what he says about having a UK will.

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Posted by yorkinmadoc-799333 - 3 years ago

Thank you, well aware of the tax situation, however for Notaires to take in the full implications will take time I'm sure. Planning for the future is our choice, and also what the OP asked for! Lenght of residence in a country is not the answer to any question.