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Posted by Yasminh14 - Created: 4 years ago
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Posted by stonedecroze - 4 years ago

Maybe you got the wrong end of the stick re 'Mail' and 'Express' kingly?

Of course I can only assume.

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Posted by kingly - 4 years ago

I don't dimiss it Mickrest - just don't lay the blame , purely , at UK's door

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Posted by Mickrest - 4 years ago

It can't be denied that there was a large increase in the number of refugees seeking asylum in the UK during the years that Western powers invaded Afghanistan and Iraq (e.g. 2002 - 2004).

There is also a very definite causal link between American and British foreign policy (particularly over Afghanistan and Iraq) and the increase in Islamic fundamentalism throughout the world. This has caused much unrest in many countries that have Muslim groups in their population and has motivated many people to flee their homes in both Middle Eastern and African countries.

There are, of course, other reasons for immigration - e.g. people seeking better opportunities for themselves and their families, but it would be wrong to dismiss the powerful contribution that our stupid foreign policy has made.

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Posted by kingly - 4 years ago

Yemen . Mali , Gambia , Nigeria , Palestine - regimes ruined by UK ?

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Posted by kingly - 4 years ago

" regimes ruined " - Iraq ( give you that , although it was a Socialist Government in power I believe )

Syria , China , Egypt , Eritrea , Somalia - regimes ruined by UK ????

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Posted by kingly - 4 years ago

It does not surprise me that you read both Daily Mail and Daily Express !

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Posted by stonedecroze - 4 years ago

Surely the main reason behind the 'people smuggling' attempts is because the UK among others has ruined so many regimes in the Middle East through sheer ignorance.

However I'm sure that the Daily Mail or Daily Express would not back me on this.

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Posted by kingly - 4 years ago

A recent poll showed that ( something like ) 18% of UK population would vote to leave EU - David Cameron does not want Britain out of Europe just to limit the power they have ( and , perhaps , for them to spend less time having debates / spending money on the shape of a cucumber and more on tackling people smuggling into Europe for example )

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Posted by Yasminh14 - 4 years ago

Sorry, I didn't realise there was a separate discussions area in the non-local section, was just looking under general discussions.  That would explain it, thought it was a bit odd.

stonedcroze - how do you know my fears are unlikely to be realised?  I personally don't think it pays to be complacent.  In France, 5 years seems to be the magic number, and in 2 years time when Cameron is promising to hold the referendum, we still won't have been here for 5 years.  Even if that is irrelevant, there may be all sorts of other factors which determine which Brits will be granted cartes de sejour, and which won't.  As yet, neither I nor you have any way of knowing what those will be.   So none of us can say whether we will have an automatic right to stay here.

As for your figures, there are currently approx 2.3 million EU migrants living in the UK, with approx 2 million UK migrants living in other EU countries.  A "million or so" hardly covers it.  While the right-wingers like to bang on about pressure on space and services in the UK due to migration, in truth if we were all to swap back it would make little difference.  But the focus by the anti-EU'ers is always on how many have come into the UK and the fact that lots of us have also left is never mentioned.  I do think there will be a lot of pressure to get some of those migrants to leave should there be an exit, and who knows how EU governments may then react to that vis-a-vis British migrants?

 

 

 

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Posted by Fitter - 4 years ago

If any of us have been in France for a year or three or more, been good citizens,kept our noses clean, not been in trouble, registered our vehicles over here (that's a bit of sore point I'll bet - cue loads of abuse), paid our taxes etc - I can't somehow see that the French government of the day (whatever colour that may be in the future) is going to cut off their nose to spite their face and insist that we allez-vous, after all, they need the money.