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Noddy Guide Reqd: Using a Moped/Scooter

Posted by JOHNSON, Wm. Alan, Peter - Created: 14 years ago
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I will probably need to buy a second hand moped or low cc. scooter soon but need some (very) basic questions answering. Could you help me out with some information please.

Q1. Would I be allowed to use the fast road (the "Penetrante) with a moped ? 

Q2. How long would it take to drive from Le Cannet to Grasse ON A MOPED via the fast route (and if one is NOT allowed to use a moped on the Penetrante and therefore would have to use the ordinary roads how long would that take ? (Approx). 

Q3. My main interest will be to be able to get about at a fairly gentle speed  AND to keep my costs to a minimum, so could you give me any advice on the level at which the cost of insuring a moped/scooter changes as one's engine capacity (c.c.) rises ?

For example, I assume that one needs to stay under 50/100cc in order to pay an economic annual premium - but in terms of the engine size what is the "cut off" point before one moves into a more expensive insurance category ?

Q4. Do you know of any Insurance Companies which are easier to deal with in the Cannes/Le Cannet area (I can manage some French but to find an Insur. Co. vendor/assistant who speaks some English would be helpful too).

Q5. Finally...do you know of a reliable garage in the Cannes/Le Cannet area where I might be able to buy a secondhand vehicle, without being taken for a ride (since I'd obviously prefer to do the riding myself !) ?

I really WOULD appreciate your help if you have a few minutes to e-mail me.

Many thanks for taking the trouble to read this ?

Wm. Johnson (Bill)      

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Posted by JOHNSON, Wm. Alan, Peter - 14 years ago

I really appreciate the help and comments. I had a Lambretta in a former life but haven't owned/driven a scooter here - which is why I am appreciatiative of any advice going. Wm (Bill).

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Posted by reinrev5 - 14 years ago

P.Johnson,

For years now I've been using hire cars and my own scooter or motorbike. I think you will find with a little shopping around that there isn't much difference in the price of insurance once you get up into the more powerful ones, these are also far more difficult to steal because of their weight. A 200 or 500 cc scooter weighs far more than two people can carry so as long as you park it somewhere relatively safe, and chain it down,  you have more chance of finding it next morning! This is of course another reason for the price of the insurance  in relation to a 50cc.

A 50cc is OK in town if you have a locked garage (or if you live in Monaco)  but if you are commuting (Penetrante Style) I would go for at least a 125cc which, unless you are monsterously overweight, will keep up with the traffic and are therefore safer to drive. This is another reason I prefer the "big" scooters and bikes.

Another point that many don't realise is that there is a "clique" of motorbike riders who often help each other in the traffic. You will have to learn bit by bit the strict code of conduct of the "motards", very complex and difficult to explain, but if you intend to stay here it is very pleasant to be part of the clan. This clan doesn't really exist if you are on a scooter, I beleive, because of the irresponsible way the majority of the young unlicensed,  drive on their 50ccs.  

I hope that all this will help in your decision. I would never get back into the hassle of having a car down here. The first year of so, the "withdrawl" symtoms can be bad but after that it's all plain sailing. I rented 35 times the first year, a little over ten years ago and last year only twice. The SNCF train "service" is dreadful with the exception of the TGV but the busses are very good, clean and punctual.

Good Luck

Reinrev

 

 

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Posted by Jacob - 14 years ago

'Unrenewed policy' is just my way of disguising the irresponsible technique of not having a policy at all...Don't know any dealers but I'm sure the yellow pages (pagesjaune.fr) can help in that respect. The only dealer I've specifically noticed is the Aprilia shop near the Police station (bottom of the avenue to le Cannet), not absolutely sure if they do s/h though.-- VerseGuru

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Posted by JOHNSON, Wm. Alan, Peter - 14 years ago

Hi there. Thanks for your feedback. Could you explain to me however what an "unrenewed policy" is please. Also do you know of any helpful secondhand dealers in the Cannes area ?  Thanks in anticipation. Wm (Bill)

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Posted by Jacob - 14 years ago

I have a 125cc Aprilia (it's not chrome, it's definately plastic), and if I remember correctly it took me about 25-30m up to Grasse last time I went but I'd add on 10 mins for bad traffic/to get to the centre, I've also driven around the Monaco corniche with a passenger on it no problem. 50cc is definately not enough for a regular trip up to Grasse however. That road is remarkably boring on a scooter, and if one exceeds 90km/h the wind can get a bit troublesome. If by gentle speed you mean 70km/h it's going to take a bit longer. Incidentally the cheapest kind of insurance is an unrenewed policy...-- VerseGuru

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Posted by JOHNSON, Wm. Alan, Peter - 14 years ago

Really do appreciate the three of you taking the trouble to reply. Any other replies still welcome. Wm. (Bill) 

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Posted by JOHNSON, Wm. Alan, Peter - 14 years ago

Really do appreciate the three of you taking the trouble to reply. Any other replies still welcome. Wm. (Bill) 

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Posted by paul wormald - 14 years ago

i bought a second scooter 50cc when i lost my permit de conduire for € 1200 &n august last year an the connsesionnairs told me that it is a gendarme that is sallin it atleast i knew that it was not a stolen one , i have my big bike back know yes yes yes hahaha , now i can start cruising

 

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Posted by TonyP-191937 - 14 years ago

I didnt mean to denigrate 50cc scooter users, I just meant to explain why the insurance costs are higher.

They are still a good bet for using around town or along the coast.

Tony

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Posted by Vics - 14 years ago

Not everybody who uses a 50cc scooter is a 14 year old 'wide boy'! I use one every day to drive to Monaco and back using the Bas Corniche, and I am very happy with it. You need to look into the different makes as there is a huge difference between a 50cc Vespa and a 50cc MBK for example. My scooter is bigger than a lot of 80/125 cc and once you have them 'debridé' or unlocked after 1000km ish, you should be able to get up to about 90km with no problem. The metal scooters such as Vespa/Aprilla are much more solid than the plastic Piaggio/Neo etc.

 Having said all that, I would never drive on the Moyenne or Haut Corniche as you really do need a lot of power and I think you'd find the same with the Penetrante. Drivers will overtake you if they feel you're not driving fast enough, and you need to keep to the right hand side of the road as much as possible.


50ccs can be quite expensive and there isn't a huge price difference between the 50cc and the 80/125cc. Insurance varies, there are some very good internet companies who specialise in scooters and I think a good rate is 250-300€ for the year. There is a big theft problem and I always lock mine to something fixed even if I'm popping into a shop for a few minutes. The only exception to this is Monaco where you could pretty much leave the keys in the ignition and still find it when you come back!

Good luck, and happy and safe scooting!

 

Vics x