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Livret de Famille

Posted by Tammy-185364 - Created: 13 years ago
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Hello!!

I was just wondering if anyone could help me, I don't really know anything about anything french... I have noticed that in the livret de famille I seem to be a 'marginal mention' as the mother The father (being French) is on the first page, I however am on the third in tiny writing, we are not married and I find this dissapointing. Another thing is, I took a domestic flight from Paris to Toulouse last month and was actually asked after the hostess took 5 minutes to find me in the book if this was my child!! All I want to know is if this is normal??? If not is there anything I can do about this??

Any help would be great.

take care. xxx

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Posted by sheila bardon - 13 years ago

iAccording to our mairie, if your child has his own passport it is assumed by the authorities that both parents are happy for the child to travel either on their own as an unaccompanied minor, with an appointed adult ie on a school trip or one of their parents, therefore you won't be questioned by the immigration authorities. You won't need an attestation either. Don't know why they make this assumption, maybe both parents have to sign the passport application form when applying for a French passport, you certainly don't when applying for a UK one. Best get one - go on you know it makes sensesheila

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Posted by miranda56-196561 - 13 years ago

As a married couple you still need this document ! I am married and it didn't stop them asking me for it, even with the same surname on my child's carte d'identité as on my passport.

Believe it or not, when parents of different nationalities separate for whatever reason, it is not infrequent that one of them leave the country with child(ren) against the wishes of the other. It is to avoid this kind of situation that we go through all these check-ups. However, they do not do them systematically.

You will also find that you will be asked for "une autorisation de sortie de territoire" for school trips and stuff too - so don't leave it till the last minute. I think that the validity of these documents varies from département to département.

 

 

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Posted by The Pigtails-195986 - 13 years ago

Dear kmdd, yes the "attestation d'authorisation de sortie du territoire pour mineur" is an official document you get from the marie, it is a 1 year or 5 year document, depends on what you want, you will need both parent passports, the card is stamped by the marie & both parents sign it! However as a married couple you shouldnt need it! this document is only neccessary for non married couples, where one partner is french & the other is foreign, & the foreign partner wants to travel with the child alone, therefore having a different name & nationality to the child & no proof of parentage!!

hope this explains everything?

 

 

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Posted by kmdd-189863 - 13 years ago

Just curious... is the "attestation d'authorisation de sortie du territoire pour mineur" something official done once - or each time you intend to leave the country- or can the father (in my case - also husband) just write and sign something?

K

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Posted by MikeP-180526 - 13 years ago

quote:I feel your letter however is pooh poohing me?

Not at all ..... I was just trying to share the benefit of my own experience with you and others. As you said,  none of us are French,  so maybe the authorities, reasonably I think, are only interested in French citizens leaving their territory.

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Posted by The Pigtails-195986 - 13 years ago

Just to quickly explain, if I took my english passport & my baby & her english passport (with a different surname) to the airport & flew out to england or anywhere else in the world for that matter, I wouldnt have a problem & there would be no question! Its because the baby has a french nationality ie carte identity etc that the authority stops you!

And the reason you are on the third page in little letters is simply because your not married & foreign! if your married you are recoqnised as the mother! I dont know legally why that is? Its not like the father gives birth stops work & breast feeds?  anyway here in france thats the way it is!

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Posted by The Pigtails-195986 - 13 years ago

Sorry I have just read your earlier posting, VOILA LA DIFFERENCE!!!!!! neither of you are french!!!!!! The authoritys only interest is in mixed french couples!!!!! You can take your child out of the country as he also isnt french!!!!! y would they even look in to it?

 

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Posted by The Pigtails-195986 - 13 years ago

Thank you for your reply mikep! you dont really give many details, are you married & you dont state the passport nationalities!! so I dont know the difference for your situation! however I dont think your personnel experience is a recommendation for other non married french / english couples!! well done you though, I think either your son is above 2 year old or your not english?

I feel your letter however is pooh poohing me? I can assure you it was not a situation I would recommend to anyone & if it can be avoided I think may advice is important?!! n'est-ce pas?

 

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Posted by MikeP-180526 - 13 years ago

I am surprised at the above,  as both my partner and I have travelled individually with our son, who is on his own passport, and never had any problem either leaving or entering France or any of the many other countries we travel to, despite the fact that we have passports of different nationalities.

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Posted by The Pigtails-195986 - 13 years ago

Hi Tammy,

I understand your situation, I am the "girlfriend" to a French man & we have a little 13 month old girl, No-one had told us about the livret de famille, My mother has been very ill since are little girl was born & so we flew back to england often!! However, the first time I went back on my own I spent over an hour in passport control being accussed of stealing a baby!! (my baby) as I had no proof of parentage?!! It was needless to say very stessful & very upsetting, I felt like real criminal, I couldnt stop crying & of course it was all very disturbing for my then 7 month old little girl!

After they let my go they then caught up with me just before I boarded, & yelled to me in front of every one, that english passport control were on the phone & I had to talk with them? so carrying my baby & all alone I had to be escorted from the que & go back to the office, In fact the French authority had phoned them to make more trouble for me, & english authoritys had no problem with me flying! I spent the to hours of my flight crying, with people who had witnessed my ordeal saying they were shocked at the treatment I had endured.

Anyway, after all this we organised the "livret de famille" & we arranged a "attestation d'authorisation de sortie du territoire pour mineur" which has me as equally mentioned as the father!!!!!!

So I think the reality is, if you live here thats the rule & if your not happy get an english passport, or depending on the babys age you can still put the baby on your passport!!!!!! top result with no questions for the over authoritive french personnel who love to make us english obey them!!!!!!!!!

Sorry if that offends people but I think what I went through just to take MY baby home to see my ill mother for 4 days was un just & far to traumatic considering what I was doing wasnt actually a crime!

Be aware that the "Livret de famille" doesnt actually give you the right to take your child out of the country!!!! But the combination of his/her Carte identity & the "attestation d'authorisation de sortie du territoire pour mineur" does.

Good luck,

 

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