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Wireless on the Cote D'azur- Interested

Posted by Makesuthink - Created: 14 years ago
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Posted by Brightstar-189376 - 14 years ago

C J - I wish you all the best.  I really admire people like yourself who have the guts to really go for something on their own.  I have tried that down here, and it's not that I can't find any work, but i have learned that working on my own does not suit me!  I like being part of a team and driving projects forward for a bigger cause.

Yes - hopefully I will come back!  And to be honest, if I haven't found anything suitable back home after 6 -12 months then I will.  I'm not looking for anything extraordinary - just something that really interests and challenges me from a business perspective.  Hence my interest in this string!

So let me know when you have made your fortune and I will come back and help you make even more! :)

I will be checking AI, that's for sure, so keep this post going!  Meanwhile, my life is being taken up with social events galore in the run-up to my departure, which is lovely but also rather sad!

 

Brightstar x

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Posted by C J Flynn - 14 years ago

Brightstar,All good points...and wish we were big enough to hire an erudite like yourself.I don't know how the free to “please pay me” handoff occurs yet – I don’t think I know how to make it gentle, or even put in a timer with a countdown. All that may have to be in version 2, ready for when you come back to the area with the new dream job.The idea is that someone (after the set up is debugged of course) could get their mail, logoff, answer, log back on and send their mail. Or, someone could quickly check a site for data, (several sites like the airport and some marina info sites are always on - free for surfing) or download a quick file that they left at the office. Every day the clock is reset and the cycle can be repeated. For some reason, 10 minutes seems too long, but perhaps I shouldn’t be stingy. Maybe I’ll find a “read this ad for a free 10 minutes” piece of software and an advertiser to support it. Anyone from Carrefour or Air France reading this?Just slightly touching on the technology, and answering a concern that MUWonder mentioned, the wifi card in your computer tells us its identity. It doesn’t say anything about you or the contents of your computer, except for the standard cookie style info. Those things alone are not perfect protection, nor are passwords or WEP or making sure no one is looking over your shoulder. But some combination of them will prevent most fraud. Ports of a well designed computer system don’t have to be opened to allow games, or even Voice over IP. I’m hoping that there will be less fraud given the nature of the people of the area. Teenagers in France are very polite and wouldn’t consider hacking my system. They don’t need to prove that they are smarter than me, as I readily admit it.Finally, good luck on the job search and don’t leave for long. It took me a couple years, but I was able to return after having to leave. Have you gone to any of the ‘domiciliation’ buildings, the ones who rent single offices to small companies like us? Usually the front office people there are quite tuned into the company needs of their clients. Greensides (NCI) and World Trade Center come to mind, but there is a list of them somewhere here in Anglo Info. Guerilla Marketing is going to be your key – you are going to have to market yourself as you would any clever product with hidden assets, but no budget. Do well and stay in touch.C J FlynnWorking Toward the End of the Dark Ages

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Posted by C J Flynn - 14 years ago

legend,Warchalking...thanks for the offer. Free publicity as far as I am concerned. Can we get it in fancy colors? Will you pass around a rosetta stone so that people will know what the symbols mean? "Strong signal - great sashimi" might get confusing.The SSIDs come up right away when you are at the site and I hesitate to mention them lest I cross commercial line with our gracious forum host...but just so you don't use some rogue sites by mistake, if you see iMap, it stands for Internet Marine Access Points and if you see Internet Marine - Cote d'Azur, then you know you are at the right place.Client side software is included in Apple OSX and Windows XP, so the service practically begs to be used when your computer turns on-presuming that the card is pushed in and turned on and all those other pilot errors that I have made. For other operating systems, any wi-fi card that is purchased comes with a CD-ROM full of drivers and instructions for use. My free 7.5 minutes concept relies upon nothing more than that. I am not that good a programmer, so if something gets in my way, it may revert to being a pay as you go or subscription thing. Logging on must be simple, c'est vrai and as you say. The billing actually goes off my system to a secure approval service named metacharge. They actually hand out the passwords, and then my computer monitors them when someone re-enters. The nice thing about metacharge handling the service is that their secure https: servers ensure that our simple computers never see the secure data. And, they also accept SMS billing! Tres chouette, eh? What could be easier?It seems the corporate people are using the Boingo software a lot, which also works well in coordinating the user experience in conjunction with the card software. But the software of the cards I have bought recently for testing has gotten better too. Anyway, no proprietary software on the client side, and actually very little on the service side.Please let me know what your experience is. I have noticed that the biggest problem is solved by going to Internet Options in Control Panels or from Tools in IE, and selecting the Don't dial button. The two logon methods compete with each other in Win2000 and previous, and the computer gets confused. I've found that screaming at the computer doesn't work, but people do stay away from your table for a while.C J Flynn

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Posted by Brightstar-189376 - 14 years ago

Haut in the Hotspot - trouble is, most brits don't know the meaning of the word 'haut' in the context of Wi-Fi!  Also the word has several different meanings in French -(high, top as in clothing).  Either way, if you can make it work, then 5 (or was it 10?!) mins for free is fine so long as the next step in the process is seamless and secure.  I would seriously reconsider 10 mins as 5 is not enough if the operation doesn't always work first time.  The last thing you want is customers who are hacked off because as soon as they manage to get onto email they are cut off!  It would be safer to give a longer trial period. I'm interested to know how you then 'interupt' the user after this period of time and secure payment?  Also, do you have a means of identity checking so the same user cannot go back time after time for a quick email check for free?

Go back to programming and employ me as your marketing director so I can stay down rather than go back to London! 

If I have time, I will check out Cannes, but I leave on Wednesday - sniff!  Good luck - I'm really hoping to find with a telco or marketing company specialising in the broader field of mobile/wireless.

 

Brightstar x

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Posted by legend_in_my_lunchtime-182603 - 14 years ago

Hey CJ - is it OK with you if we warchalk the pavements around Sushikan and Port de la Darse?  Would you please let me know the ssid of the AP's concerned?

I'm intrigued by this 5 minutes till billable approach.  What sort of software is it going to require on the client side?  In my opinion if you require anything more than a 1-shot token recognition (with centralised pre-payment), the system will fail (commercially) as no nomadic Wi-Fi-er wants to install proprietary operator software on his PC.

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Posted by Makesuthink - 14 years ago

Considering that if you hang out in the lobbies of most major corporates you will find free coffee in the US and Europe its amazing how well Starbucks have done with their $ 4.00 coffee. Different views on business models. When cyber  crime starts being perpetrated from free WIFI and security is needed or as happened in Japan when all the kids playing free online gaming on WIFI connections wiped out the coffee house takings . The service was closed in 4 hours.

One of us is right, remind me again how much Microsoft made from paid for software when Linux presents a perfectly viable free model. AOL have struggled by with 30 million paying subscribers and if buses were free pollution would halve ? Maybe Maybe not

It makesuthink though

 

 

 

MakesUthink

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Posted by C J Flynn - 14 years ago

Indeed Marketing Brightstar,I would love to have a system where the bills were just paid, by a few discreet ads and a few corporate subscriptions, etc. I could sell the billing computer, I would keep the amount that goes to the credit card approval service and just concentrate on the service.Well, that is something to work for. Right now, I am writing the code that will allow people to get on the system for 5 minutes free everyday. (did you notice my finger twitch as I typed 5 instead of 10?)Meanwhile, come down to Sushikan in Cannes if you are on the west side, or Port de la Darse (Villefranche) if you are on the east side. It will be free access for at least another week or 10 days. Call me to say how it went - 04 93 41 02 92.We will have a couple other places online in the next two weeks, but it looks like the billing system will online soon. So, get it while it is haut. Put your marketing hat back on a tell me if I should say - We put the haut in hotspot! OK; I know, go back to programming. C J Flynn

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Posted by Brightstar-189376 - 14 years ago

Thanks C J - that makes sense.  Yes, of course you  are dialling up someone else's ADSL - but you just access your email account as normal.

I would love to test 'real' wireless - so far I've only used it in the house with an antenna and card - works a treat!

I think that commercially the whole wi-fi world as we understand it today will change.  There will be many ways for the provider to make money other than through the end user (I'm talking individual consumers rather than corporates). Wireless as a marketing tool has massive potential, in rather the same way that SMS  has taken off.  SMS even becomes a profit centre in its own right if you use a reverse billing system.  Presumably you could offer similar opt-in services to mobile computer users and deploy a similar system.  Also, why could you not offer access to any wi-fi point in the world at a fixed and realistic fee, rather like ADSL subscriptions?  Really all very interesting!  Takes off marketing hat . . .

 

Brightstar x

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Posted by haggis-180168 - 14 years ago

QuotegarymI'd be happy if my village just got ADSL, then I could try my own wireless connection around the house for a start, and beamed down the valley after that! I heard the rule is that everywhere must offer ADSL if there are 100 applicants in the village. I live in Gattieres but when asking at the Marie they say no plans yet and the petition has been removed! France Telecom say Oct 12th - but they said that two years ago too. Anyone know of a domestic wireless kit that works with ISDN - and someone who could configure it? Does the airport WiFi reach the beach west of Cap 3000?! Sounds like we need a repeater station network like amateur radio users have.Cheers,GaryHi Gary, I live in St Jeannet and have been using FREE ADSL for over a year now. It seemed for ages that the service would never come, and one day, I checked the Netissimo webpage, and it said "available". I ordered it, and hey presto. Works great...Might be worth checking France Telecom directly rather than the Mairie. I can't imagine there's 100 people in St Jeannet with ADSL.../Rob

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Posted by C J Flynn - 14 years ago

quote:Why would you need to plug a router in if you have a wi-fi card in your laptop?  Doesn't that just enable you connect wirelessly and therefore dial up your adsl as per normal? Brightstar xid=quote>Hi Brightstar,You are correct. The router is not needed for the person on the portable computer end, the client side. You just need the wifi card and properly installed drivers in your computer. Sometimes your 'normal' logon scripts get in the way, but that is easy to handle.On the server side, there is usually a router between the ADSL modem and the Access Point radio. Besides being a convenience tool, they often provide firewalls and other protection features.When you connect via the wifi card, you are using someone else's ADSL line. But your own account information for mail, for example, can get passed through...which (in most cases) is what you want. I hope this helps. Ask more if something occurs to you.C J Flynn